Epstein did NOT commit suicide in prison. I don't think we will ever learn with certainty who put the contract hit out on him - but we all know who had/has mob connections in New York...
I'm an atheist, but I don't doubt your faith is a very important component of your life. I always ask "why did the Lord either let this happen, or cause it to happen, in the first place". I also doubt the empathy and compassion of God or Jesus Christ to let this happen in the first place. Why do we need to wait until the "truth" is revealed? Why not reveal it now? And I can't accept "it's God's will" as an answer. Again - I'm glad you can be comforted by your beliefs. I'm simply speaking to the logic of the situation.
To be honest, I am or was very naive. Now I'm so convinced that there is the devil and that DJ is now the embodiment of evil. Laugh at me if you will but it does frighten me because it's so blatant. He makes no bones about his hatred of others. He's greedy. He lies and cheats. He is an all around undesireable individual. WHY THE HECK IS HE AMERICAS PRESIDENT?
Because enough people hate other people who aren’t just like them (straight, white, “Christian”, either male or subservient female) so much that they would rather support a pedophile who will punish them rather than one who will try to unite us all and work towards a future where we all have a place. That’s the simple disgusting truth of it.
Remember there's reasons for everything. In time it will all be revealed. There's a reason for all this chaos now. It could be the start of a new beginning.
So there is a reason why rich powerful men raped girls and are now using the government to cover it up?
There’s a reason why USAID was dismantled so that children in developing countries died of starvation and preventable diseases?
I really wish people would stop saying things like this. What you’re really saying is that as long as people benefit from those things I mentioned, they are worth the cost. It’s gross, privileged, and really not very compassionate.
Sometimes when I post I can't believe that I posted that. I do believe that I may have had help in doing so. I trust my faith and that is how I manage to not be too fearful.
God wasn't there for this 7 year old girl, whose father sexually abused her for 10 years. Where was God then? What was I guilty of at 7 years old to be punished? While I was singing "Jesus Loves The Little Children," at Sunday school, at home my father was raping me. I didn't have "free will" at 7yrs old. God is evil, the Bible is filled with violence.
Jesus said that he had more to tell the disciples but they were not ready or something like that.
What is the truth?
We are not from this planet.
We are spirits in these Earthly bodies that we need to play this game.
Earth is like a University. We are here to learn how to love unconditionally.
Now, my understanding is that if you don't get it, one returns until they do.
All volunteer of course.
We decide before we come what we want to learn.
So, in the Bible it says, "Let us make...
So, they made this Earth for us to learn.
No one dies. We are spirits, we are like using these bodies like we use our cars.
We have been here many times. How many times have you been here?
So, man has divided themselves into different religions. The Lord told me that some have some right. Example the Catholics have the silence correct. Hum... well that may be all. The Muslims pray 5 times a day. Hum... and so on and so on.
The contradictions are real. Everything changes like the Mighty Sea.
Go read, if you choose my Free Joyce Newsletter - on Love. I am putting the 100 messages he gave me on the site.
Well, I get the messages from Jesus and our Heavenly Father. I am just a messenger. A vessel. No one special. Get close to them and ask them for yourself. Our Father will speak to all who chooses to listen.
Well said Scott. "These things happen for a reason." God works in strange and mysterious ways." All sophistry! All simplistic answers for simplistic thinkers.
But while we wait, many people are and will continue to suffer! All over the world, and now in the US - the power of evil men, and the money behind them creating chaos, pain and death!
Sounds lovely but it is not even close to the reality. Not even close. God provides humans with the ability to be brave, decent, willful and empathetic. Then God, the Lord watches. Humans had their chance and have already failed. The only thing that humans don’t comprehend is the relativity of time. You see, a thousand years is comparable to a millionth of a second of a human, being an inch from cement after a thousand foot free fall. A reality rap. Cheers 🥂
Does anyone remember Trump’s AG Barr, visiting the jail where Epstein was in Brooklyn a few days before his unfortunate “suicide” or did I not recall that correctly?
Well you really don’t have to think that hard my money has been on Bannon from the get go and I am almost positive he was the last one to see Epstein alive!
Never thought about that but you have a point. Bannon hangs on Trumps left sack so hard it's probably purple. Even trying to tell him how to run again in 2028, they better not let him run a 3rd time. He's run a muck enough while the Supreme Court sits with there thumb up there butt's and there head in the sand doing not a thing when they themselves created this monster so they should be able to stop him by reversing what they have put into law and rein him in.
Seriously, are you claiming Jeffrey Dahmer deserved protection? Of course, Epstein was murdered. I predicted that the moment he was arrested but shed no tears for either of these scumbags.
All prisoners deserve protection. When the defendant is sentenced there isn’t a secret set of punishments meted out, the punishment is codified by law. We live a country of laws, not a system based on vigilantism.
William Barr arranged it to keep his father, Donald Barr , who hired Epstein to teach at the prestigious NYC school Spence . The other fucking donald also was protectef. Some poor schmuck was paid poorly to actually do the job.
I worked in prison for a long time.And most people that are suicidal are watched twenty 47 because they don't want the lawsuit. And yes pedophiles they call them chesters they are All at risk from others.
I just finished reading the information. When there is smoke there is fire. Powerful people can create whatever they want to create. Check every ones bank account. Follow the money that was made. What video is Barr speaking about. A made up one? Since the camera was not even working. WOW!!!
Russian Mafia with help from friends inside and trumps financial help.
Italian Mafia with help from friends inside and trumps financial help.
Putin needs trump in power to get everything he wants, he knows he is wanting the money laundering business back once war is over and Putin gets what he wants, so trump can start trump Tower in Moscow, that has been on hold since 2015. Putin is scratching trump disgusting back and trump is licking Putins feet to get Epstein killed
Perhaps he could have revealed more evidence, more people involved.
It is too coincidental that there were so many errors the night he died, particularly with such a high profile case. It is highly suspicious of hit and not suicide.
Agreed, and I certainly didn't mean to imply that women should sit down and let men treat them as "prey animals" or second-class citizens! I'm a woman and have been fighting for women's rights all my life. I was only saying, he's dead ... good enough for him ... and who cares whether he took his own life or the prison guards helped end it? Good riddance to him however he died.
Because Jeffrey Epstein died, his accusers never got their day in court. And, we will never find out about a lot of secrets that were in his dead, secrets we should want to be revealed. Knowing the secrets could assist towards finding justice for more of his victims — most of whom have never come forward.
The big problem, is that somebody...(numbers/name's are unknown), are needing to be out of the public and private view. Thus, taking Epstein out,... is the quickest, most efficient, quietest way for the most part. 'Nothing to be seen here.' Evidence gone...or at least first hand recall.
And there was apparently lots of film, etc. to correlate any testimony. How many large properties did he own?
Self-serving Donald Trump would think nothing of making sure Epstein was silenced forever. No innocent person would work so hard & try to cause such grave distractions to deflect from something very troubling that he must hide no matter what it takes. He's committed so many heinous acts in his life & never flinched , but this must really have some block buster in it! Wow!
Why do you care? The night before he died Epstein gave his brother all his money, paid off the guards (who were online shopping when he committed suicide) and then killed himself. This deed was done because he was a slaver and knew that prisoners would rape him. He liked raping, but he didn’t think he’d like being raped. That’s the truth. He was an adjudicated criminal. He deserved a punishment devised by slaves.
After reading about his brother it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't somehow involved. He stands to gain a lot from his death. All worked for the devil!
Find the Documentary I believe I saw it on Hulu. About Epstein. Called, "Victoria's Secrets Angels and Demon's. Who would know it was about Epstein and his 700+tapes.
The truth of Jeffrey Epstein is not easy to know, in & of itself.
Anyone who behaved in a way that might call Epstein's racket into accountability faced pretty scary threats. That's what I recall from a book by Brad Edwards, an atty, who advocated for Epstein's victims.
I don't remember the rich man's name, but he gave Epstein his money. Find that Documentary about Epstein and the man that gave him money is on it. I believe it is on HULU, titled, "Victoria's Secrets Angels & Demons." What was shocking is one lady who was working for Epstein said camera's were everywhere, even in all the bathrooms. What a crazy man. Blackmailing so many rich people. According to the documentary Epstein sold some of the tapes to Donald T. and who else paid for tapes? So, was Donald blackmailing people as well?
I was responding to another commenter who didn't believe Epstein hung himself by bed sheets in his jail cell. He was in prison, for goodness sake. If he had been knifed, or shivved I might think it was a hit.
The folks at CBS are not supposed to be a bunch of conspiracy theorists! If you have not already done so, please look at the 60 minutes article that another commenter has posted.
That really wasn't conclusive. This expert thought this, & that expert thought that. I will go by what I've seen, that many pedophiles who are caught by the cops kill themselves.
God? Here’s another alternative: the post was about Epstein and all involved in the crimes against children, especially the wealthy and powerful.
If you need a crutch to get through life, God is it. If you actually want free agency, you have to work for it, no free passes, which is all religion is. Religion was a great way to unite people beyond kinship, but its history is just blood-soaked narcissism. If you actually followed “Christian doctrines,” you wouldn’t be here posting here, you’d be out doing something that helps others.
Mary -- there has been al lot of recent coverage (finally!) of how bad Donald smells -- a combination of urine, feces, and a very offensive body odor. Adam Kinzinger reports noticing this overwhelming stench in an oval office meeting c. 2018. How long has Donald had this problem and what are your thoughts about it? I have a lot of family in Iowa and it is all anyone can talk about -- including some of his rabid supporters. I think it is vital that we get this information into the headlines. It could indicate an inability to attend to basic bodily functions, dementia /declining mental capacity (such as it was), and/or advancing disease. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
To continue with lyrics the song then goes on “What are They Feeding You” bacon cheeseburgers but only morning noon and night. Yes there is something to that.
Yes I heard that!!! This is the exact thing that would make him react--in fact he did have a big reaction to Kinzinger's post. This needs to surface! How?!
And ask Melania about it too. Also, ask her what she thought about having Vlad share nude photos of her the whole week after the election on state TV. He did.
Given how he led a family conspiracy to cheat her out of what was rightfullly hers, it could be unlikely that Mary would be spending much time around Donald.
A lot actually, Biden has a stutter and the fascists weaponized it against him. Turn about is fair play, except that the stink bomb will take it personally and lash out. That IS where you want him, so the country truly sees the felon for who and what he is. Remember him walking into AF1 trailing toilet paper?
Have you read in Mary’s books about how she and her mom struggled to make ends meet, while meanwhile, unbeknownst to her, Donald was stealing from her? Have you noticed that Mary lives modestly as a person with modest means while her cousins live high on the hog in Entitlement Heaven? This is not to say anyone should want to live like Donald J Trump Senior‘s children live, because I wouldn’t wish that on anyone! But given that their uncle is a proud billionaire one would think Mary and her brother and his family should not have to struggle and strive and skimp and save while being asked to go to family occasions with this billionaire uncle who’s stealing from them. In sum, I should think what Donald did to her and her brother is relevant to any discussion that seeks to be supportive of Mary!
I am endlessly impressed by the people who look after us when we are ill and hurting. You see us at our worst and still maintain your grace and humanity. Thank you.
In polite company, you don't talk about that stuff. Good! We're in the clear around this guy… .I mean, how many times has he, personally, cruelly and belligerently gone out of his way to smash social guard rails? A few suggested starting points: “How do ya like the stench, fatty?” “Next time, buy XXL “Depends”, Donny!”
Actually he should double diaper , wear “rubber pants,” and more importantly, wash his nasty butt. Surely he could manage to sit on a bidet several times a day? And perhaps even modify his horrible diet! In addition to apparent Dementia, he may (very likely) have a developmental disability on the Autism Spectrum Disorder. Likely what had been formerly referred to as “Asperger’s Syndrome.”
No wonder his wife will not share a bedroom with him. Even staying in Britain’s Windsor Castle, she requested separate quarters. She will not stay in the same room with him; who would? I cannot imaging anyone sitting around in “shitty” pants, especially as President.
Henry VIII, went thru an illness so bad that he was buried secretly. It came from an accident during his years of peak health. The infection slowly ate him up. Doctors, nurses, left his sick bed vomiting from the rotten stench. His body was beyond recognition when they carted him off to his grave. MAKE YOU THINK?
Its more likely due to the tent peg that got jammed up his a$$ at one of the snuff parties he attended. Listen to the Sascha Riley interview on Substack.
Is anyone surprised that the GOP frontrunner raped 12 and 13 year old girls and when asked what would happen if he had impregnated her, Trump grabbed his wallet and threw some money at her and screamed that she should use the money "to get a fucking abortion".
Newsweek so far seems to be the only US media to highlight the "missing Epstein tapes" from raid of Epstein's NYC townhouse in 2019, under Bill Barr : "FBI Special Agent Kelly Maguire testified in 2019 that during the raid of Epstein's residence, FBI agents found a safe with CDs, computer hard drives, money, jewelry and passports. During her testimony, Maguire said that FBI agents did not have a valid warrant to remove the evidence, so instead, they photographed them. A few days later, when they returned to obtain the evidence, it was gone, The Telegraph reported." A reminder that Bill Barr's father Donald Barr was Headmaster at Dalton School where he hired a young teacher named…Jeffrey Epstein, where he began recruiting young girls.
Someone, somewhere, has those discs & drives filled with "kompromat"... did they also end up at Mar-a-Lago?
Consider the possibility, given the entire trajectory of Trump's interactions & entanglements w/Putin & Epstein, that the primary purpose of this "active measures" op, election subversion to put Trump in WH, was to take down Epstein, recover the kompromat, worth more than a vault of gold to many very powerful men. Trump-Putin hidden meetings likely focused on this. Epstein died of a broken neck, mob-style. The entire corruption cult includes folks like Murdoch & Musk, monkeywrenching the reality. Flynn's Q-cult, a psy-war projection of destabilizing disinfo, think about it, was to COVER up the real Trump-Epstein-Putin pedophile & trafficking/kompromat ring. & WTF is Barr & Dershowitz doing in the middle of it all? https://beezevans.substack.com/p/billionaire-corruption-cult-behind
What I want to know. WHO IS WATCHING TULSI 🗑 GABBARD!! DANGEROUSLY UNQUALIFIED to head INTEL. She is a known Putin and Assad sympathizer. WHO is watching TULSI???!!
Since Billy Bob Barr was his AG, I'm pretty sure whatever was in there is too juicy to just destroy…so it's buried somewhere.
Bill is around the same age as Trump…so I think you can assume Barr, Trump and Epstein knew at least of each other at Wharton since his dad hired the guy.
Thanks Mary, for your continuous dedication to your work in keeping us informed. I know it’s risky and I and so many others truly commend your bravery. Now, we shall see if anything comes of these revelations.
I agree with you, it will never happen. I mean, if Time says the D is person of the year,you know whose pocket they are in—-along with all the other corrupt media outlets in the USA.
I so appreciate your updates on this...imagine for a moment if Bidens name appeared on these passenger lists and how different the coverage would be...Donald is a presidential candidate and shold receive the same attention...
🥲 Thank you. I live in “red neck” Trump country. Trucks with confederate flags, noise for him. All the Christian 45 lovers saw nothing but that abortion would be stopped. Big parade parties on the lake and more noise. Never mind EVERYTHING else Mr con man did. He was going to save babies (who cares about “Mom”)
I stuck my Biden sign in the yard last election. Some would not. Some said I was brave. I am not. YOU, Mary (Ms Braveheart). Thank you for keeping us updated.
Mine said 'Republicans for Biden'. It got messed with once, so I fixed it and moved it a little closer to the house but still in good view from the road.
I still think that DJT has dirt on a lot of people to keep them loyal. Congress members who first came out against the insurrection and then were suddenly kissing the ring in Mar A Largo. Dirt that’s much worse than someone might be gay or takes money under the table. Probably from Epstein’s files and Putin.
He was working overtime using the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and SS to get dirt on both Dems and Reps. Why does Rubio look like a scared little boy standing next to Trump? Probably threatened to send his relatives back to Cuba or worse, one of the countries trump calls s…holes. Why is it that the Republican males are afraid to speak out against his atrocities? The women are stronger!!
Thanks Mary. I can’t believe I never even thought of the blackmail possibilities. Epstein sure knew his easy targets. I remember the vile immunity case well. Despicable
Alice Harford: Millions of years of evolution, right? Right? Men have to stick it in every place they can, but for women... women it is just about security and commitment and whatever the fuck else!
Dr. Bill Harford: A little oversimplified, Alice, but yes, something like that.
I KNOW! The disproportionate/unchecked hunger for sex so many men have absolutely baffles me. An evolutionary glitch? Deviant sexual behavior leads to ruined marriages, ruined lives, increased abortion seeking, deceit and broken hearts, children being sexually abused, STDs, and the list goes on (and on and on and on)
Sexual Violence is a serious global issue and threat. Instead too much attention is paid to banning Drag Queen Story Hour at libraries. Thank you for your reply.
@Vicki: See the book, Sex at Dawn, by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha. There was a lot of polyamory among our hunter-gatherer ancestors of both genders. It's not clear from the book exactly what this meant for women, but for men, to have progeny you had to have a powerfull desire for lots of sex, plus produce huge quantities of sperm. Human males have among the biggest penises of primates; among the biggest testicles, and the highest sperm production.
And I can tell you that desire drives adolescent boys and young, and even early middle-aged men crazy. My best friend and I--both born in the first half of the 1950s--have remarked to each other that it's somewhat of a relief to no longer have the crazy level of sex drive we had in our youth, into our middle age.
I have vivid memories of a day nearly 54 years ago. I was in my 11th grade English class, which I loved. The teacher was a mother figure to a lot of her students, including me, and she and the other students made the class very interesting and a lot of fun. But on this particular day, my gonads were preventing me from concentrating, try as I might. At some point I just gave up trying to take in the class. When the class was over, I made a beeline for the bathroom and did something I'd never done outside of my own bedroom, despite the embarrassment I felt at having to do that. But it was a major relief.
As I explained in my first paragraph, this crazy level of desire is evolutionary but it's not a glitch. nor does it normally lead to deviant sexual behavior, or sexual abuse of children.
@DavidHolzman You speak as a "normal" man, my term was referring to those who engage in deviant sexual behavior. Please don't take my comment personally. But I maintain, based on my own life experiences and observations, that an overactive sexual appetite can and does often result in tragic behaviors in many men. I had no idea there were even responses to my comment until I received an alert today. I recently unsubscribed because I was aware of absolutely no feedback in any of these conversations. It is discouraging to feel like your shared thoughts disappear in a vapor!
I think it's more than just the overly powerful sex drive that results in bad behavior among many men. There has to be a lack of respect for women. I was taught in no uncertain terms at a young age that women were just as good as men. My mother and her mother both had PhDs, my parents met as grad students at Harvard. I got a baby sister at age 9, and even in my early teens I started teaching her to be independent. And I had some superb female teachers in elementary school and high school to whom I still feel grateful, one from elementary school who I befriended when I was not quite 40, and we became close friends (she was 15 years older than me), who--sadly--died of breast cancer two years later, and who I still miss several decades later.
Vicki, somehow I landed here five months after our original exchange. Probably several factors go into what you refer to as tragic behaviors, which I might rather call nasty behaviors, or selfish, antisocial behaviors, or some such. I would blame not just the men, but attitudes among parts of the populous that sex outside of marriage is a nasty sin. I had a crazy sex drive in my youth, and I did an inordinate amount of what I still call "homework," that is, doing something one feels a powerful need to do, but doing it alone, rather than with another person, that is, of the gender that one is attracted to. And the book Sex at Dawn explains beautifully why that drive is so damn powerful. (And see my next comment if you didn't already reread it.)
There is a certain kind of sage the priests use to lower the level of testosterone. I was given some by a gardener at a Catholic convent about 20 years ago. I used it in my kitchen, not knowing it's effects. My elderly husband didn't mind it, but one day a lady friend with a well developed palette set me straight, saying it was definitely not normal cooking sage, so I did some research.
A lot of adolescent and young adult males could use that. My inner adolescent boy wants it! And I bet a lot of the younger priests found using it a big relief. Now, if course, at 71, I have no need for that, but I find myself intellectually fascinated by the fact that there is such a thing, and thinking
about how it could have relieved my cases of what my best friend and I referred to as being vapored. So thank you for that information!
In many ways, it’s more challenging to be male. As far as the polyamory goes, I think the restriction on women having multiple partners started when men wanted legitimate male heirs…not that that was a guarantee.
Please feel free to correct me. I just remember reading something about it years ago.
I don't think it's sex so much as power, or lording it over someone... belittling, shaming, blackmail material, the list goes on...and as society 'advances' the new twists are born.
It's never just SEX. It's a way to get the upper hand over someone else.
I realize that for some, it can be about power, but I've never viewed it that way, and I don't think any of my close friends have ever viewed it that way. It IS a very powerful drive though.
did you read my comment? It's now the third one under your comment.
Also, I have to tell you that the disproportionate hunger that most men have actually begins for many in adolescence. It's not an evolutionary glitch, which you will understand if you read my comment. And it does not necessarily go with deviant behavior such as child sexual abuse.
I’m terrible about names, but believe Roy Baumeister is who wrote a sociological study of evil in which he said pretty much what you have, here.
I didn’t read through the book, though hope I will someday. — I believe that, somewhat alarmingly, he wrote male perpetrators of sexual violence do not think they have done anything wrong.
I think it's almost certainly true that many don't think they've done anything wrong. And that IS alarming. I think we'd have less of that if we took a more Scandinavian approach to adolescent sex. (In my family we were allowed to have lovers in our rooms with the doors closed. I was doing that in 12th grade.) In fact, my father chewed out some neighbor lady who'd gone in the back of our house to look in my windows.
I googled Baumeister. It looks like his papers are behind paywalls, but I didn't see anything that was exactly on point, although given what I did see, it wouldn't be surprising.
I’m not with you in your remedy for sexual violence. That’s all I want to say. FYI, Roy Baumeister’s book is entitled “Evil: Inside Human Violence and Cruelty.” I hope I’ll read it one day.
I didn't say that that would be a remedy for sexual violence, although I think it would reduce it. But to get rid of sexual violence, I think we need to expunge the notion that women are somehow not as good as men. As a child, I'd absorbed that notion to a degree, and at some point, when I expressed it, my parents told me in no uncertain terms that that was not the case. They had both come from backgrounds where women were respected on the same terms as men. My maternal grandmother had a PhD. My parents and their siblings had marriages of equality.
I don't have any children of my own, but I have a much younger sister, who I encouraged to be independent, to ask questions when she had them, and to feel that she was as good as boys. As a public health nurse, during the pandemic, she was in charge of getting everyone in Fairfax Virginia vaccinated.
My brother has a daughter. I used to take her on expeditions beginning when she was a little kid. When she was 7, I started taking her for flying lessons. Her first time, she did so well that the instructor gave her an extra take-off and landing. Years later, she told me she knew I'd done that to give her extra confidence, and that it had done so.
And one time, around when I was taking my niece for flying lessons, driving along I came upon a teenaged girl stuck by the side of the rode with a flat tire. I told her I could change it in 10-15 minutes for her, or I could tell her what to do, and let her do it, so that she could do it herself if she got another. She opted for the latter, and did a good job of it.
And I'm really PO'd that we couldn't elect a woman as president of our country.
And one of my long ago professors, a woman, now 85, just came out with a new book, and it really made me feel good. (I was in her class 50 years ago.) I emailed her, and congratulated her, and bought the book, which I am finding to be very interesting. Stolen Pride: Loss, Shame, and the Rise of the Right, by Arlie Russell Hochschild.
And I could go on in a similar vein about several of my elementary school teachers (all women). I learned so much from them.
How long before it’s revealed that Epstein’s suicide was no suicide? 🤔 🤔 🤔
Epstein did NOT commit suicide in prison. I don't think we will ever learn with certainty who put the contract hit out on him - but we all know who had/has mob connections in New York...
That’s what they do, they are eliminated so they can’t “talk”. That’s what happened to Marilyn Monroe.
Goodbye, Norma Jean ...
I agree.
Barr knows lots about that.
He needs bringing to justice too.
Put your faith in the Lord. One day, it will be revealed.
Everything done in the dark will be in the Light.
The Light of the Truth is on.
Let it shine.
I'm an atheist, but I don't doubt your faith is a very important component of your life. I always ask "why did the Lord either let this happen, or cause it to happen, in the first place". I also doubt the empathy and compassion of God or Jesus Christ to let this happen in the first place. Why do we need to wait until the "truth" is revealed? Why not reveal it now? And I can't accept "it's God's will" as an answer. Again - I'm glad you can be comforted by your beliefs. I'm simply speaking to the logic of the situation.
To be honest, I am or was very naive. Now I'm so convinced that there is the devil and that DJ is now the embodiment of evil. Laugh at me if you will but it does frighten me because it's so blatant. He makes no bones about his hatred of others. He's greedy. He lies and cheats. He is an all around undesireable individual. WHY THE HECK IS HE AMERICAS PRESIDENT?
Because so many admire his traits. They Want what he has. So many commandments blown to bits.
What he has are the material items. No character or morals or human characteristics that make one decent.
Because enough people hate other people who aren’t just like them (straight, white, “Christian”, either male or subservient female) so much that they would rather support a pedophile who will punish them rather than one who will try to unite us all and work towards a future where we all have a place. That’s the simple disgusting truth of it.
Say it loudly and often
Remember there's reasons for everything. In time it will all be revealed. There's a reason for all this chaos now. It could be the start of a new beginning.
So there is a reason why rich powerful men raped girls and are now using the government to cover it up?
There’s a reason why USAID was dismantled so that children in developing countries died of starvation and preventable diseases?
I really wish people would stop saying things like this. What you’re really saying is that as long as people benefit from those things I mentioned, they are worth the cost. It’s gross, privileged, and really not very compassionate.
The only reason I can think of is evil minds
You were reading my mind.
Well said. 👍
Sometimes when I post I can't believe that I posted that. I do believe that I may have had help in doing so. I trust my faith and that is how I manage to not be too fearful.
That’s correct. God did not give us a spirit of fear.
Because God will not interfere with the agency He has given to each of us. We are free to make choices, even if they are evil.
As a survivor of this sort of thing, I can say that God intervened to comfort me during my ordeals.
God wasn't there for this 7 year old girl, whose father sexually abused her for 10 years. Where was God then? What was I guilty of at 7 years old to be punished? While I was singing "Jesus Loves The Little Children," at Sunday school, at home my father was raping me. I didn't have "free will" at 7yrs old. God is evil, the Bible is filled with violence.
Scott, hello, Happy New Year!
Jesus said that he had more to tell the disciples but they were not ready or something like that.
What is the truth?
We are not from this planet.
We are spirits in these Earthly bodies that we need to play this game.
Earth is like a University. We are here to learn how to love unconditionally.
Now, my understanding is that if you don't get it, one returns until they do.
All volunteer of course.
We decide before we come what we want to learn.
So, in the Bible it says, "Let us make...
So, they made this Earth for us to learn.
No one dies. We are spirits, we are like using these bodies like we use our cars.
We have been here many times. How many times have you been here?
So, man has divided themselves into different religions. The Lord told me that some have some right. Example the Catholics have the silence correct. Hum... well that may be all. The Muslims pray 5 times a day. Hum... and so on and so on.
The contradictions are real. Everything changes like the Mighty Sea.
Go read, if you choose my Free Joyce Newsletter - on Love. I am putting the 100 messages he gave me on the site.
Whose interpretation of scripture is this — besides yours?
Well, I get the messages from Jesus and our Heavenly Father. I am just a messenger. A vessel. No one special. Get close to them and ask them for yourself. Our Father will speak to all who chooses to listen.
Where did I read or hear that one is being given only as much as one can bear
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where did I read that one only bears as much as one can handle, or something like that, when we go through difficult times?
Well said Scott. "These things happen for a reason." God works in strange and mysterious ways." All sophistry! All simplistic answers for simplistic thinkers.
Because He gave us free will, the ability to choose our own actions.
But while we wait, many people are and will continue to suffer! All over the world, and now in the US - the power of evil men, and the money behind them creating chaos, pain and death!
Groan
For evil to succeed, only good people to do nothing is needed. Don’t use your religion as an excuse not to do the right thing.
Sometimes god needs help, some one needs o large floodlight and the sooner the better.
Sounds lovely but it is not even close to the reality. Not even close. God provides humans with the ability to be brave, decent, willful and empathetic. Then God, the Lord watches. Humans had their chance and have already failed. The only thing that humans don’t comprehend is the relativity of time. You see, a thousand years is comparable to a millionth of a second of a human, being an inch from cement after a thousand foot free fall. A reality rap. Cheers 🥂
Oh go away!
History shows that evil will exist with or without God
🙏🏽
It was not the “mob!” Italian men are not sleaze bags
I believe that was a reference to the Felon-in-Chief.
If by chance it were and I'm not saying it was, they would have done a better job of covering it up.
Does anyone remember Trump’s AG Barr, visiting the jail where Epstein was in Brooklyn a few days before his unfortunate “suicide” or did I not recall that correctly?
You recalled it correctly
Trump put that hit out of him
Wouldn't doubt it
Did Bill Barr visit Epstein in his cell to serve him the sacrament of the Last Rites, on orders from Opus Dei ?
trump had him erased.
Well you really don’t have to think that hard my money has been on Bannon from the get go and I am almost positive he was the last one to see Epstein alive!
Never thought about that but you have a point. Bannon hangs on Trumps left sack so hard it's probably purple. Even trying to tell him how to run again in 2028, they better not let him run a 3rd time. He's run a muck enough while the Supreme Court sits with there thumb up there butt's and there head in the sand doing not a thing when they themselves created this monster so they should be able to stop him by reversing what they have put into law and rein him in.
tRump did it.
I first heard that back in the early 80's. Have believed it since then.
Or he isn’t dead at all but living in Malta.
Is he really dead?
Donna put the hit out. Same thing with CK!!!!✅
Mossad
It wouldn’t be anyone but cheato at the top
Even the most heinous of criminals draw the line at child rape. So, Epstein was as much a target as Jeffrey Dahmer; he was never safe.
Seriously, are you claiming Jeffrey Dahmer deserved protection? Of course, Epstein was murdered. I predicted that the moment he was arrested but shed no tears for either of these scumbags.
I don’t regret his demise, but I’d’ve preferred to see him in solitary confinement, no parole, for a long life living in constant fear.
And yes, I believe he was murdered, or if not, pressured into suicide.
Rapists don’t last long in prison.
All prisoners deserve protection. When the defendant is sentenced there isn’t a secret set of punishments meted out, the punishment is codified by law. We live a country of laws, not a system based on vigilantism.
How long was your coma?
What your saying is correct. We all deserve equal protection under the law regardless if were innocent or guilty.
It's why men and women have to be vetted and then questioned by both prosecutors and defense attorneys before they can serve on a jury.
Anyone who is too emotionally invested in a person or a circumstance should never sit on a jury.
Also, critical thinking is altered when an individual can't compose themselves.
Who bumped Epstine off?
William Barr arranged it to keep his father, Donald Barr , who hired Epstein to teach at the prestigious NYC school Spence . The other fucking donald also was protectef. Some poor schmuck was paid poorly to actually do the job.
Sorry, I meant Dalton.
The only one's who know that is the people who ordered it and committed it.
I worked in prison for a long time.And most people that are suicidal are watched twenty 47 because they don't want the lawsuit. And yes pedophiles they call them chesters they are All at risk from others.
In his own cell
Hooked on Dec and money and power.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/did-jeffrey-epstein-kill-himself-60-minutes-investigates-2020-01-05/
60 Minutes investigation
I just finished reading the information. When there is smoke there is fire. Powerful people can create whatever they want to create. Check every ones bank account. Follow the money that was made. What video is Barr speaking about. A made up one? Since the camera was not even working. WOW!!!
Thanks Joyce. Agreed. Many more questions than answers. All very suspicious.
'Working' might be the term in question...
Probably the one he took with him when he left the jail that day
Murders can be made to look like a Suicide
Frightening to know that.
It is but it happens every day
Thank you for the link.
I wholeheartedly agree!
I wonder who hired the prison hit?
Donald Trump!
I guessed B. Barr by order of t- rump
I'd agree with that, he knew to much information that would have ruined the rump
Everyone need to stop Capitalizing his name it's donny and trump, stop making him more than what he is a small pathetic pedophile rapist
Or he was paying off a debt.
It could have been Russian Intelligence or possibly the Mossad. A former Israeli Prime Munister is alleged to have been one of his “clients”.🤷🏻♀️
Maybe his clients crowd funded?
LOL
Mob boss Donald.
It’s not to hard to follow the Cheeto trail….
Barr arranged it.
Barr
Barr would have only done it under orders and we all know who would have placed that order
Royal Family with help from trump.
Russian Mafia with help from friends inside and trumps financial help.
Italian Mafia with help from friends inside and trumps financial help.
Putin needs trump in power to get everything he wants, he knows he is wanting the money laundering business back once war is over and Putin gets what he wants, so trump can start trump Tower in Moscow, that has been on hold since 2015. Putin is scratching trump disgusting back and trump is licking Putins feet to get Epstein killed
At this point, does it even matter? He was evil and the world is a better place without him. Full stop.
Perhaps he could have revealed more evidence, more people involved.
It is too coincidental that there were so many errors the night he died, particularly with such a high profile case. It is highly suspicious of hit and not suicide.
Yes it matters. It's important to all women when men treat them like prey animals.
Thank you. This is the discussion topic right here. Don't erase these women and girls that were used and abused, people.
Agreed, and I certainly didn't mean to imply that women should sit down and let men treat them as "prey animals" or second-class citizens! I'm a woman and have been fighting for women's rights all my life. I was only saying, he's dead ... good enough for him ... and who cares whether he took his own life or the prison guards helped end it? Good riddance to him however he died.
Because Jeffrey Epstein died, his accusers never got their day in court. And, we will never find out about a lot of secrets that were in his dead, secrets we should want to be revealed. Knowing the secrets could assist towards finding justice for more of his victims — most of whom have never come forward.
The big problem, is that somebody...(numbers/name's are unknown), are needing to be out of the public and private view. Thus, taking Epstein out,... is the quickest, most efficient, quietest way for the most part. 'Nothing to be seen here.' Evidence gone...or at least first hand recall.
And there was apparently lots of film, etc. to correlate any testimony. How many large properties did he own?
Epstein is dead, true, but there are still too many willing to step into the void, and Trump and his MAGA Mafia are still on the scene 🤢🤮
Got the popcorn.
Self-serving Donald Trump would think nothing of making sure Epstein was silenced forever. No innocent person would work so hard & try to cause such grave distractions to deflect from something very troubling that he must hide no matter what it takes. He's committed so many heinous acts in his life & never flinched , but this must really have some block buster in it! Wow!
It’ll be after we find out who put the hit on JFK!
Why do you care? The night before he died Epstein gave his brother all his money, paid off the guards (who were online shopping when he committed suicide) and then killed himself. This deed was done because he was a slaver and knew that prisoners would rape him. He liked raping, but he didn’t think he’d like being raped. That’s the truth. He was an adjudicated criminal. He deserved a punishment devised by slaves.
After reading about his brother it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't somehow involved. He stands to gain a lot from his death. All worked for the devil!
Everyone knows he was murdered.
The mob boss, hit.
Find the Documentary I believe I saw it on Hulu. About Epstein. Called, "Victoria's Secrets Angels and Demon's. Who would know it was about Epstein and his 700+tapes.
Just what we need more conspiracy theories. The truth is bad enough.
Am not sure what you're saying here, Fay.
The truth of Jeffrey Epstein is not easy to know, in & of itself.
Anyone who behaved in a way that might call Epstein's racket into accountability faced pretty scary threats. That's what I recall from a book by Brad Edwards, an atty, who advocated for Epstein's victims.
I'd like to know who enabled Jeffrey Epstein.
I don't remember the rich man's name, but he gave Epstein his money. Find that Documentary about Epstein and the man that gave him money is on it. I believe it is on HULU, titled, "Victoria's Secrets Angels & Demons." What was shocking is one lady who was working for Epstein said camera's were everywhere, even in all the bathrooms. What a crazy man. Blackmailing so many rich people. According to the documentary Epstein sold some of the tapes to Donald T. and who else paid for tapes? So, was Donald blackmailing people as well?
Find that Documentary.
It was the man who owned the Limited
Yes, you are correct. After your message I started looking. Leslie "Les" Wexner was Epstein's financier. Well, until the news broke.
I was responding to another commenter who didn't believe Epstein hung himself by bed sheets in his jail cell. He was in prison, for goodness sake. If he had been knifed, or shivved I might think it was a hit.
The folks at CBS are not supposed to be a bunch of conspiracy theorists! If you have not already done so, please look at the 60 minutes article that another commenter has posted.
That really wasn't conclusive. This expert thought this, & that expert thought that. I will go by what I've seen, that many pedophiles who are caught by the cops kill themselves.
And I will go by the understanding there are people who did not want Jeffrey Epstein to talk.
They shut his mouth
We know that it wasn't suicide!!!!
I saw the autopsy photos of Epstein’s neck and the marks look like wire not bed sheets. Narrow and deep, not wide and shallow.
God? Here’s another alternative: the post was about Epstein and all involved in the crimes against children, especially the wealthy and powerful.
If you need a crutch to get through life, God is it. If you actually want free agency, you have to work for it, no free passes, which is all religion is. Religion was a great way to unite people beyond kinship, but its history is just blood-soaked narcissism. If you actually followed “Christian doctrines,” you wouldn’t be here posting here, you’d be out doing something that helps others.
This shit is unbelievable.
Spewing garbage and hate baiting.
Keep going, Mary!!! We appreciate and love your courage and pursuit of truth and integrity!!
Mary -- there has been al lot of recent coverage (finally!) of how bad Donald smells -- a combination of urine, feces, and a very offensive body odor. Adam Kinzinger reports noticing this overwhelming stench in an oval office meeting c. 2018. How long has Donald had this problem and what are your thoughts about it? I have a lot of family in Iowa and it is all anyone can talk about -- including some of his rabid supporters. I think it is vital that we get this information into the headlines. It could indicate an inability to attend to basic bodily functions, dementia /declining mental capacity (such as it was), and/or advancing disease. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
James Carville said last week that they should play up the stink factor because it really gets trump riled up
Queue Randy Rainbow:”Smelly Trump, Smelly Trump......”
Oh, yes, PLEASE!!!
Randy is so talented. I never miss his videos.
To continue with lyrics the song then goes on “What are They Feeding You” bacon cheeseburgers but only morning noon and night. Yes there is something to that.
Yes I heard that!!! This is the exact thing that would make him react--in fact he did have a big reaction to Kinzinger's post. This needs to surface! How?!
And ask Melania about it too. Also, ask her what she thought about having Vlad share nude photos of her the whole week after the election on state TV. He did.
Yes, that's and saying Elon is really president. Anything that makes him look weak
I’m really sick of Carville.
Yoo bad
I think democrats have got to stop
Worshipping septuagenarians and octogenarians. If that’s bad, so be it.
That's the only way to get under his skin just like a ring worm
Yes!
Given how he led a family conspiracy to cheat her out of what was rightfullly hers, it could be unlikely that Mary would be spending much time around Donald.
What has that got to do with anything?
A lot actually, Biden has a stutter and the fascists weaponized it against him. Turn about is fair play, except that the stink bomb will take it personally and lash out. That IS where you want him, so the country truly sees the felon for who and what he is. Remember him walking into AF1 trailing toilet paper?
If she can stay away from her Uncle Donald, Mary may dodge the duty of having to assess the extent of his possible body odor.
It could be an indication of mental health decline, not being able to maintain a level of hygiene.
Have you read in Mary’s books about how she and her mom struggled to make ends meet, while meanwhile, unbeknownst to her, Donald was stealing from her? Have you noticed that Mary lives modestly as a person with modest means while her cousins live high on the hog in Entitlement Heaven? This is not to say anyone should want to live like Donald J Trump Senior‘s children live, because I wouldn’t wish that on anyone! But given that their uncle is a proud billionaire one would think Mary and her brother and his family should not have to struggle and strive and skimp and save while being asked to go to family occasions with this billionaire uncle who’s stealing from them. In sum, I should think what Donald did to her and her brother is relevant to any discussion that seeks to be supportive of Mary!
You’re right. Neglect of personal hygiene is a clear sign of diminished capacity.
I am a nurse and incontinence of urine & stool is very much a part of dementia!
I am endlessly impressed by the people who look after us when we are ill and hurting. You see us at our worst and still maintain your grace and humanity. Thank you.
In polite company, you don't talk about that stuff. Good! We're in the clear around this guy… .I mean, how many times has he, personally, cruelly and belligerently gone out of his way to smash social guard rails? A few suggested starting points: “How do ya like the stench, fatty?” “Next time, buy XXL “Depends”, Donny!”
Actually he should double diaper , wear “rubber pants,” and more importantly, wash his nasty butt. Surely he could manage to sit on a bidet several times a day? And perhaps even modify his horrible diet! In addition to apparent Dementia, he may (very likely) have a developmental disability on the Autism Spectrum Disorder. Likely what had been formerly referred to as “Asperger’s Syndrome.”
No wonder his wife will not share a bedroom with him. Even staying in Britain’s Windsor Castle, she requested separate quarters. She will not stay in the same room with him; who would? I cannot imaging anyone sitting around in “shitty” pants, especially as President.
Does the White House have showers or unlimited supply of Depends? lol
Henry VIII, went thru an illness so bad that he was buried secretly. It came from an accident during his years of peak health. The infection slowly ate him up. Doctors, nurses, left his sick bed vomiting from the rotten stench. His body was beyond recognition when they carted him off to his grave. MAKE YOU THINK?
Yes, it makes me think. I will never live in a place like that. NEVER. 👎
He belongs in the prison nursing home wearing a straight jacket.
And depends
The people who ran the show he was on, said that he was snorting Adderall and lost control of his sphincter and that’s why he wears a diaper
Its more likely due to the tent peg that got jammed up his a$$ at one of the snuff parties he attended. Listen to the Sascha Riley interview on Substack.
Is anyone surprised that the GOP frontrunner raped 12 and 13 year old girls and when asked what would happen if he had impregnated her, Trump grabbed his wallet and threw some money at her and screamed that she should use the money "to get a fucking abortion".
I have read that part of the earlier documents too. And the slap across the face for what he deemed performing fallacio poorly.
I read that in court transcripts several years back.
Yup!
Nope, not surprised
Giving into account MAGA’s newest catchphrase, campaign slogan, no I’m not extremely surprised!
WHAT!!!!
Here is a link from a repost I did a long time ago. You can read the specific paragraphs about Trump in the court documents.
https://substack.com/@jane427166/note/c-67159732?r=tjjtb&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
Newsweek so far seems to be the only US media to highlight the "missing Epstein tapes" from raid of Epstein's NYC townhouse in 2019, under Bill Barr : "FBI Special Agent Kelly Maguire testified in 2019 that during the raid of Epstein's residence, FBI agents found a safe with CDs, computer hard drives, money, jewelry and passports. During her testimony, Maguire said that FBI agents did not have a valid warrant to remove the evidence, so instead, they photographed them. A few days later, when they returned to obtain the evidence, it was gone, The Telegraph reported." A reminder that Bill Barr's father Donald Barr was Headmaster at Dalton School where he hired a young teacher named…Jeffrey Epstein, where he began recruiting young girls.
Someone, somewhere, has those discs & drives filled with "kompromat"... did they also end up at Mar-a-Lago?
https://www.newsweek.com/missing-jeffrey-epstein-tapes-fbi-1857766
Consider the possibility, given the entire trajectory of Trump's interactions & entanglements w/Putin & Epstein, that the primary purpose of this "active measures" op, election subversion to put Trump in WH, was to take down Epstein, recover the kompromat, worth more than a vault of gold to many very powerful men. Trump-Putin hidden meetings likely focused on this. Epstein died of a broken neck, mob-style. The entire corruption cult includes folks like Murdoch & Musk, monkeywrenching the reality. Flynn's Q-cult, a psy-war projection of destabilizing disinfo, think about it, was to COVER up the real Trump-Epstein-Putin pedophile & trafficking/kompromat ring. & WTF is Barr & Dershowitz doing in the middle of it all? https://beezevans.substack.com/p/billionaire-corruption-cult-behind
What I want to know. WHO IS WATCHING TULSI 🗑 GABBARD!! DANGEROUSLY UNQUALIFIED to head INTEL. She is a known Putin and Assad sympathizer. WHO is watching TULSI???!!
Bullshit!
WOW!!!
I might have to subscribe to that substack.
The Documentary said a man took them to Russia. You know what that means.
Donald & Epstein are in the bed with the Russians. The Documentary said girls were also coming from other countries including Russia. Find it.
Donald and company and the good old boys-club. What I’ve come to believe is that millions of people are attracted to criminals?
. .of course ole Stinky has everything! “He has the tapes!” 💯%
So…why on earth didn't FBI agents sit on that safe UNTIL THEY GOT THE WARRENT?
They were probably told to let a clean up crew handle thereby eliminating anyone know who has it.
Since Billy Bob Barr was his AG, I'm pretty sure whatever was in there is too juicy to just destroy…so it's buried somewhere.
Bill is around the same age as Trump…so I think you can assume Barr, Trump and Epstein knew at least of each other at Wharton since his dad hired the guy.
Bedminster cemetery/golf
The bit about Bill Barr’s father Donald Barr’s connection to Epstein is jarring😳I had no idea. No wonder…
This is so sickening I want to scream and vomit.
Thanks Mary, for your continuous dedication to your work in keeping us informed. I know it’s risky and I and so many others truly commend your bravery. Now, we shall see if anything comes of these revelations.
When is the list going public with the names splashed on the front page on every newspaper in the world?
Never
I agree with you, it will never happen. I mean, if Time says the D is person of the year,you know whose pocket they are in—-along with all the other corrupt media outlets in the USA.
Ugh! 🤮
I so appreciate your updates on this...imagine for a moment if Bidens name appeared on these passenger lists and how different the coverage would be...Donald is a presidential candidate and shold receive the same attention...
🥲 Thank you. I live in “red neck” Trump country. Trucks with confederate flags, noise for him. All the Christian 45 lovers saw nothing but that abortion would be stopped. Big parade parties on the lake and more noise. Never mind EVERYTHING else Mr con man did. He was going to save babies (who cares about “Mom”)
I stuck my Biden sign in the yard last election. Some would not. Some said I was brave. I am not. YOU, Mary (Ms Braveheart). Thank you for keeping us updated.
Mine said 'Republicans for Biden'. It got messed with once, so I fixed it and moved it a little closer to the house but still in good view from the road.
Same here. I’ve been threatened It’s blood red here
Blood is right, and everyone who supported him is covered in it.
It’s no surprise that old man Trump was involved. If it’s criminal, he’s in!
I still think that DJT has dirt on a lot of people to keep them loyal. Congress members who first came out against the insurrection and then were suddenly kissing the ring in Mar A Largo. Dirt that’s much worse than someone might be gay or takes money under the table. Probably from Epstein’s files and Putin.
This is a long fight but the good fight.
Bingo 🎯
He was working overtime using the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and SS to get dirt on both Dems and Reps. Why does Rubio look like a scared little boy standing next to Trump? Probably threatened to send his relatives back to Cuba or worse, one of the countries trump calls s…holes. Why is it that the Republican males are afraid to speak out against his atrocities? The women are stronger!!
Mary-thank you for your perseverance in exposing the truth about your uncle and his cronies. Keep speaking out!
Thanks Mary. I can’t believe I never even thought of the blackmail possibilities. Epstein sure knew his easy targets. I remember the vile immunity case well. Despicable
Even though I am disgusted, thanks for keeping us updated, Mary.
Alice Harford: Millions of years of evolution, right? Right? Men have to stick it in every place they can, but for women... women it is just about security and commitment and whatever the fuck else!
Dr. Bill Harford: A little oversimplified, Alice, but yes, something like that.
Alice Harford: If you men only knew...
Eyes Wide Shut, movie 1999
I KNOW! The disproportionate/unchecked hunger for sex so many men have absolutely baffles me. An evolutionary glitch? Deviant sexual behavior leads to ruined marriages, ruined lives, increased abortion seeking, deceit and broken hearts, children being sexually abused, STDs, and the list goes on (and on and on and on)
Sexual Violence is a serious global issue and threat. Instead too much attention is paid to banning Drag Queen Story Hour at libraries. Thank you for your reply.
@Vicki: See the book, Sex at Dawn, by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha. There was a lot of polyamory among our hunter-gatherer ancestors of both genders. It's not clear from the book exactly what this meant for women, but for men, to have progeny you had to have a powerfull desire for lots of sex, plus produce huge quantities of sperm. Human males have among the biggest penises of primates; among the biggest testicles, and the highest sperm production.
And I can tell you that desire drives adolescent boys and young, and even early middle-aged men crazy. My best friend and I--both born in the first half of the 1950s--have remarked to each other that it's somewhat of a relief to no longer have the crazy level of sex drive we had in our youth, into our middle age.
I have vivid memories of a day nearly 54 years ago. I was in my 11th grade English class, which I loved. The teacher was a mother figure to a lot of her students, including me, and she and the other students made the class very interesting and a lot of fun. But on this particular day, my gonads were preventing me from concentrating, try as I might. At some point I just gave up trying to take in the class. When the class was over, I made a beeline for the bathroom and did something I'd never done outside of my own bedroom, despite the embarrassment I felt at having to do that. But it was a major relief.
As I explained in my first paragraph, this crazy level of desire is evolutionary but it's not a glitch. nor does it normally lead to deviant sexual behavior, or sexual abuse of children.
You were a normal kid and a brave man to share your personal life with us. Thank you.
Thank you for that, Gloria. I really appreciate it.
@DavidHolzman You speak as a "normal" man, my term was referring to those who engage in deviant sexual behavior. Please don't take my comment personally. But I maintain, based on my own life experiences and observations, that an overactive sexual appetite can and does often result in tragic behaviors in many men. I had no idea there were even responses to my comment until I received an alert today. I recently unsubscribed because I was aware of absolutely no feedback in any of these conversations. It is discouraging to feel like your shared thoughts disappear in a vapor!
I think it's more than just the overly powerful sex drive that results in bad behavior among many men. There has to be a lack of respect for women. I was taught in no uncertain terms at a young age that women were just as good as men. My mother and her mother both had PhDs, my parents met as grad students at Harvard. I got a baby sister at age 9, and even in my early teens I started teaching her to be independent. And I had some superb female teachers in elementary school and high school to whom I still feel grateful, one from elementary school who I befriended when I was not quite 40, and we became close friends (she was 15 years older than me), who--sadly--died of breast cancer two years later, and who I still miss several decades later.
Vicki, somehow I landed here five months after our original exchange. Probably several factors go into what you refer to as tragic behaviors, which I might rather call nasty behaviors, or selfish, antisocial behaviors, or some such. I would blame not just the men, but attitudes among parts of the populous that sex outside of marriage is a nasty sin. I had a crazy sex drive in my youth, and I did an inordinate amount of what I still call "homework," that is, doing something one feels a powerful need to do, but doing it alone, rather than with another person, that is, of the gender that one is attracted to. And the book Sex at Dawn explains beautifully why that drive is so damn powerful. (And see my next comment if you didn't already reread it.)
There is a certain kind of sage the priests use to lower the level of testosterone. I was given some by a gardener at a Catholic convent about 20 years ago. I used it in my kitchen, not knowing it's effects. My elderly husband didn't mind it, but one day a lady friend with a well developed palette set me straight, saying it was definitely not normal cooking sage, so I did some research.
A lot of adolescent and young adult males could use that. My inner adolescent boy wants it! And I bet a lot of the younger priests found using it a big relief. Now, if course, at 71, I have no need for that, but I find myself intellectually fascinated by the fact that there is such a thing, and thinking
about how it could have relieved my cases of what my best friend and I referred to as being vapored. So thank you for that information!
In many ways, it’s more challenging to be male. As far as the polyamory goes, I think the restriction on women having multiple partners started when men wanted legitimate male heirs…not that that was a guarantee.
Please feel free to correct me. I just remember reading something about it years ago.
The desire for male heirs arose only after agriculture replaced hunting and gathering, the former creating wealth.
I love that book Sex at Dawn. Great recco
Thank you Bonnie. I'm upset with the political situation but you've given me a big smile.
I don't think it's sex so much as power, or lording it over someone... belittling, shaming, blackmail material, the list goes on...and as society 'advances' the new twists are born.
It's never just SEX. It's a way to get the upper hand over someone else.
The cruelty is the point
I realize that for some, it can be about power, but I've never viewed it that way, and I don't think any of my close friends have ever viewed it that way. It IS a very powerful drive though.
did you read my comment? It's now the third one under your comment.
Also, I have to tell you that the disproportionate hunger that most men have actually begins for many in adolescence. It's not an evolutionary glitch, which you will understand if you read my comment. And it does not necessarily go with deviant behavior such as child sexual abuse.
I’m terrible about names, but believe Roy Baumeister is who wrote a sociological study of evil in which he said pretty much what you have, here.
I didn’t read through the book, though hope I will someday. — I believe that, somewhat alarmingly, he wrote male perpetrators of sexual violence do not think they have done anything wrong.
I think it's almost certainly true that many don't think they've done anything wrong. And that IS alarming. I think we'd have less of that if we took a more Scandinavian approach to adolescent sex. (In my family we were allowed to have lovers in our rooms with the doors closed. I was doing that in 12th grade.) In fact, my father chewed out some neighbor lady who'd gone in the back of our house to look in my windows.
I googled Baumeister. It looks like his papers are behind paywalls, but I didn't see anything that was exactly on point, although given what I did see, it wouldn't be surprising.
I’m not with you in your remedy for sexual violence. That’s all I want to say. FYI, Roy Baumeister’s book is entitled “Evil: Inside Human Violence and Cruelty.” I hope I’ll read it one day.
I didn't say that that would be a remedy for sexual violence, although I think it would reduce it. But to get rid of sexual violence, I think we need to expunge the notion that women are somehow not as good as men. As a child, I'd absorbed that notion to a degree, and at some point, when I expressed it, my parents told me in no uncertain terms that that was not the case. They had both come from backgrounds where women were respected on the same terms as men. My maternal grandmother had a PhD. My parents and their siblings had marriages of equality.
I don't have any children of my own, but I have a much younger sister, who I encouraged to be independent, to ask questions when she had them, and to feel that she was as good as boys. As a public health nurse, during the pandemic, she was in charge of getting everyone in Fairfax Virginia vaccinated.
My brother has a daughter. I used to take her on expeditions beginning when she was a little kid. When she was 7, I started taking her for flying lessons. Her first time, she did so well that the instructor gave her an extra take-off and landing. Years later, she told me she knew I'd done that to give her extra confidence, and that it had done so.
And one time, around when I was taking my niece for flying lessons, driving along I came upon a teenaged girl stuck by the side of the rode with a flat tire. I told her I could change it in 10-15 minutes for her, or I could tell her what to do, and let her do it, so that she could do it herself if she got another. She opted for the latter, and did a good job of it.
And I'm really PO'd that we couldn't elect a woman as president of our country.
And one of my long ago professors, a woman, now 85, just came out with a new book, and it really made me feel good. (I was in her class 50 years ago.) I emailed her, and congratulated her, and bought the book, which I am finding to be very interesting. Stolen Pride: Loss, Shame, and the Rise of the Right, by Arlie Russell Hochschild.
And I could go on in a similar vein about several of my elementary school teachers (all women). I learned so much from them.
This is about power not gender.
Patriarchy conflates sexuality with dominance, so the weaker these puffed -up buffoons feel, the more they want to rape children of both sexes.