The incendiary combination of agents committing unprovoked violence with impunity and the Trump regime's claiming they have "absolute immunity" puts ICE beyond the pale
Please consider that we are being played and that none of this is as it seems.
"If you catch 100 red fire ants as well as 100 large black ants, and put them in a jar, at first, nothing will happen. However, if you violently shake the jar and dump them back on the ground the ants will fight until they eventually kill each other. The thing is, the red ants think the black ants are the enemy and vice versa, when in reality, the real enemy is the person who shook the jar. This is exactly what's happening in society today. Liberal vs conservative, black vs white, pro mask vs anti-mask, vax vs anti-vax, rich vs poor, man vs woman, cop vs citizen, immigrant vs citizen. The real question we need to be asking ourselves is who's shaking the jar ... and why?" —Shera
President Obama's Warning: "You just have to flood a country's public square with enough raw sewage, you just have to raise enough questions, spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorizing that citizens no longer know what to believe. Once they lose trust in their leaders, in mainstream media, in political institutions, in each other, in the possibility of "truth", the games won."
We are those ants and that society and all that we are witnessing is contrived to destroy the United States—both sides of the blackmailed isle are in on it. Here are the WEF 2030 goals:
1) America will no longer be a super power
2) You will own nothing and be happy
To achieve this they have to destroy the old order first before they can usher in their new total surveillance tyrannical super state. To achieve that they are mercilessly dividing and conquering us which is the oldest playbook for control that exists. Here is how:
Ten Ways Billionaires Who Hate You Are Manipulating You Right Now by @thewisewolf
1) The first manipulation is the illusion of choice. You think you have two parties representing different visions for America but both parties are funded by the same billionaires, vote for the same surveillance bills, approve the same defense budgets, and serve the same corporate interests. The choice you are given is which color tie the puppet wears, not who controls the strings.
2) The second manipulation is emotional hijacking. The news does not inform you, it activates you. Every story is framed to trigger fear or anger or disgust because those emotions bypass your rational thinking and make you easier to control. You are not watching journalism. You are being subjected to psychological operations designed to keep you in a constant state of agitation.
3) The third manipulation is tribal sorting. The algorithm learns what makes you angry and feeds you more of it until your entire worldview is shaped by outrage at the other side. You are sorted into a tribe not because you chose it but because keeping you tribal keeps you predictable and profitable.
4) The fourth manipulation is false scarcity. You are told resources are limited and the other tribe is taking what belongs to you. Immigrants are stealing your jobs. Welfare recipients are draining your taxes. The other party is destroying your healthcare. Meanwhile the billionaire class has more wealth than any humans in history and could solve most of these problems tomorrow if they wanted to.
5) The fifth manipulation is memory holing. Stories that threaten powerful interests get buried or forgotten within days. Exposed crimes result in no consequences. Historical context that would help you understand the present is never taught. You are kept in a perpetual present with no past to learn from and no future to plan for.
6) The sixth manipulation is controlled opposition. The voices you think are fighting for you are often funded by the same interests they pretend to oppose. The outrage merchant on your side of the aisle is playing a character designed to keep you engaged and angry and tuned in while nothing ever actually changes.
7) The seventh manipulation is the Overton window. The range of acceptable opinion is artificially narrowed so that anything outside it seems extreme. Ideas that were mainstream fifty years ago are now treated as radical. Ideas that serve elite interests are treated as moderate common sense. You are not choosing your beliefs from the full range of human thought. You are choosing from a menu they wrote.
8) The eighth manipulation is learned helplessness. You are shown so many problems with no solutions that you eventually give up and accept that nothing can change. This is intentional. A population that believes resistance is futile does not resist. They scroll and complain and feel superior for understanding how bad things are while doing absolutely nothing about it.
9) The ninth manipulation is identity capture. Your political affiliation becomes your identity, and any attack on your party feels like an attack on you personally. This makes you defend politicians and policies that harm you because admitting they are wrong would mean admitting you were wrong, and your ego will not allow that.
10) The tenth manipulation is the most insidious of all: you are manipulated into believing you are too smart to be manipulated. Every person reading this thinks the manipulations I described apply to other people, the stupid people, the brainwashed people on the other side. That certainty is itself a manipulation. The moment you believe you are immune is the moment you become most vulnerable
There is something way bigger going on when you can divide everyone in the entire world into an 'us vs them' mentality on almost every single subject.. We cannot let them get away with these ridiculous ancient divide and conquer tactics...
Well written explanation of what is happening to ALL of us. Now we need to make it easier to stand up against it. We also need to try to find a common ground so we can reach the "them" in our families, in our communities, in our lives.
I will be using the link you provided to send out to all my friends, family, and neighbors. Thank you.
I believe that in a worst-case scenario after the billionaires have eventually taken away all of my rights, I will at least be able to unalive as many uber-rich (and any in Congress who let it happen) as possible before they unalive me. In my last moments I would at least feel like I exerted some power that they had not stolen from me.
Billionaires do not care about society or their fellow human beings, If they did, they wouldn't be billionaires. They'd still have millions....but not billions.
If the tax rate was 95% on the upper crust or should I say crud, they would still be 🤑 filthy rich. They would still be living like royalty.
What time to debate who the enemy is needs to stop. The enemy are the power elite. Wealth is power. There’s no way to bankrupt these criminals and there’s no lawful way to stop them so liberals need to stop dreaming and start coming up with a permanent solution. I don’t think they have the belly for it. They will bitch, debate and analyze and come to wrong conclusions as they will hang onto this false hope and delusion that the government will help them. The filthy rich members of the ruling class are the government.
Stop preaching to the choir liberals because anyone with an IQ over 90 knows what’s going on. It’s time to stop intellectualizing and theorizing. Here are the simple facts.
1. Democracy is gone.
2. The republic is being demolished.
3. Congressman and senators talk and that’s about it.
4. The people in power who are the corporate criminals and other filthy rich people can do whatever they want until they are forced to obey the law and at least show some morality.
5. Jesus is not going to come to the rescue with a sword and lop the heads off of these scumbags. That’s another myth.
When the people in power I’m not talking about congressman senators or any government agency, feel the heat and are terrified things will change. The only thing that motivates sociopaths is fear. Patriots face their fears and motivated by honor. Think about the firefighters who charged into the world trade towers to save people and died in the process. Those are heroes and patriots.
TriTorch, your comment is helpful, but there's no reference to what WEF is, which would make your comment even more helpful. I searched "WEF" and not surprisingly, there are several organizations that could be WEF.
I have guessed that you're referring to World Economic Forum, but I'm not sure. The Wikipedia article about it mentions several controversies associated with the organization.
Please remember that not every reader is as "dialed in" as you.
The solution is to get local, get self-dependent, get the common unity back in community by building webs of resilience with your neighbors, get control of your school boards, mayors office, and town councils, get to know your sheriff, get a garden in your lawn no matter how small, a single tomato plant is better than nothing, get a well (water is your most important resource hands down), get ready, get moving, get doing, and, if so inclined, get God.
Detailed:
Don't build a bigger fence to keep our your neighbor, build a bigger table.
The only winning move is not to play their sick game. They thrive on our energy and fear, angst, doubt, and dread they stir in us. The one thing these emotional vampires hate the most is for their manipulation and terrorism to get ignored. Cut down your TV & internet usage by 97%, go local, and all of their terror goes away meanwhile we become stronger as they flail around in angst. Here’s how:
Civilization, goes and old maxim, is never more than three meals away from barbarism—once the food deliveries stop, so does law and order. Therefore, the baseline of preparedness is as follows:
Put all your support behind your local farmers, then become your own. A garden in every lawn should be standard. You can no longer trust anything from a corporation, so cutting out reliance on a retailer is a good place to start thinking about your resiliency. ‘Incorporated’ City water isn’t viable either for its quality or reliability, so wells must be dug (there is no resource more important in your life than clean water, hands down).
How to overcome this: Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can. Small accumulations of sovereignty divided among all of us = taking our country back from the bottom up in a groundswell. This is needed because:
Practically the entire “establishment” is a group of dark triad emotional vampires.
We need to get self-sufficient immediately - figure out how to live without them completely (eg no more supermarkets) - and begin ignoring them. This will starve them - the one thing they cannot stand above all others is to be summarily disregarded- and in our favor we will not longer be their emotional puppets dangling from their psychotic string.
Beyond that, begin ending your dependence on their enslavement protocol Federal Notes by creating local currencies and discovering the lost art of bartering, and again start - these cannot be emphasized enough - stitching together webs of alliances with your neighbors for resiliency, defense, and resource sharing (they might grow what you do not and vice versa)—put the “common unity” back in community, and get control of those town councils and school boards (the one place we still hold all of the cards) and get your kids out of them. Finally: stop eating, listening to, and watching things that are bad for your mind, body, and spirit, and, if so inclined, spend a good chunk of your time on your knees each day.
Finally: Fear not. Live your life. Find your happiness. Turn your back on those who would gleefully turn it into misery. Win the game by refusing to play theirs.
All of the above is a recipe for success. Let's get to work building a future worth living in, together, because if we do not, Harari & Co will ensure we will not have one.
Yes! My bet is that people who had the time and money to go to the Capitol were just waiting for this kind of opportunity to play war games against US citizens again.
Yes, Mary, there is nothing left to "reform." I've read the original docs about ICE's founding (lawyer here). The regime has turned this group into our Trump Gestapo. Since he likes "Donroe Doctrine" so much, let's rename this group of thugs TRUMPSTAPO. Gratitude for the whistleblower who is publishing the list of thugs and finding out their past crimes, as I just saw this morning. I wonder if these men read the small print on their "bonuses": they don't get the $45,000 until after they finish 5 years! Guess Donnie will be gone, one way or the other by then. Along with his lifelong penchant to stiff people, they'll never see their $$$. I've also read that Noem is incorrect in stating they have complete immunity. One good sign comes from Texas, of all places, where the head of the Texas Police Union says ICE's terrible behavior and reputation has tarnished any respect for police in the state.
Edit--I do not see reforming or defunding or eliminating ICE as the solution. What we've needed since 2008 is sensible, humane, practical IMMIGRATION REFORM! Then dial back ICE from its current Trumstapo behaviors, revamp Border Patrol, and with the courts following due process and the Constitution, see how these two groups can function.
Excellent explanation and thank you for doing the research for us. I long suspected that the regime would hire January 6 types, give them weapons and immunity. That's pardons in advance.
What’s being exposed here isn’t simply a rogue agency — it’s a system designed to operate without meaningful limits.
When an enforcement body is funded at this scale, driven by arrest quotas, insulated from accountability, and publicly promised “absolute immunity,” violence isn’t an aberration. It’s an outcome. Predictable. Built in.
The question “Who are these people?” matters — but the more important question is who designed a system that rewards speed over judgment, force over restraint, and loyalty over law.
This isn’t about immigration policy anymore. It’s about whether any armed federal agency can operate inside American cities, against American civilians, without warrants, without transparency, and without consequence.
That’s not reformable. Not because people are irredeemable — but because the structure is doing exactly what it was built to do.
DJ Trump is wrong about everything, and he is likely wrong about this. I say that states, locals, and citizens, should start suing just to see how far they can take their cases. No one really knows if ICE has any immunity, until the lawsuits begin. Walking away is not the solution.
Sad that we're all Americans at such cross-purposes; some are misfit thugs who get off starting barroom brawls and out-hurting the other guy. Most, fortunately, just want to get along and live life as they choose without invading anyone else's space. When it comes down to confrontation, even the most non-contentious of us will take just so much being pushed around before they finally push back. I've been there; avoided the confrontation until I'd had enough abuse, and pushed back. I found that, as reluctant as I was to lower my standards, it was the only thing that worked. I believe that's what gets off Trumplethinskin: starting a fight between others and stepping back and watching the bloodletting from a safe distance.
Asked by a reporter if he believed that deadly force was necessary in the killing of Ms Good, Trump responded “It was highly disrespectful of law enforcement. The woman and her friend were highly disrespectful of law enforcement.” As many times as he was asked, Trump would not budge from claiming that her lack of respect for the ICE agents justified her murder. Not even King Henry VIII would have imposed capital punishment upon those who so disrespected him. But, of course, King Henry VIII was no Donald Trump.
View from the outside: I don’t know what if anything will get Congress to face reality and understand that the use of funding as a leverage or mandating no more face coverings will cause ICE and the DOJ to act any differently.
These tactics are barely bandaids to the real problem. You are right Mary, it needs to be completely dismantled and rebuilt to do the actual job the department was created for - border control.
Yep, agree too. And then rename it. Obviously, border control still needs to happen but what ICE agents are doing is massive overreach, of course. The acronym ICE sends a shiver down my spine these days.....
p.s. I had a cousin who was also a "bad egg". When we were children, he would hurt one of us (we had regular cousin get-togethers) when adults weren't looking and then pretend to be hurt and point the finger at someone else. He was a nasty piece of work then and grew into a nasty piece of work as an adult. He got married, there was domestic violence and she left. His son seems to be carrying on along the same lines, also. I feel for you, Mary. And I admire you greatly for always being the voice of reason.
Please consider that we are being played and that none of this is as it seems.
"If you catch 100 red fire ants as well as 100 large black ants, and put them in a jar, at first, nothing will happen. However, if you violently shake the jar and dump them back on the ground the ants will fight until they eventually kill each other. The thing is, the red ants think the black ants are the enemy and vice versa, when in reality, the real enemy is the person who shook the jar. This is exactly what's happening in society today. Liberal vs conservative, black vs white, pro mask vs anti-mask, vax vs anti-vax, rich vs poor, man vs woman, cop vs citizen, immigrant vs citizen. The real question we need to be asking ourselves is who's shaking the jar ... and why?" —Shera
President Obama's Warning: "You just have to flood a country's public square with enough raw sewage, you just have to raise enough questions, spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy theorizing that citizens no longer know what to believe. Once they lose trust in their leaders, in mainstream media, in political institutions, in each other, in the possibility of "truth", the games won."
We are those ants and that society and all that we are witnessing is contrived to destroy the United States—both sides of the blackmailed isle are in on it. Here are the WEF 2030 goals:
1) America will no longer be a super power
2) You will own nothing and be happy
To achieve this they have to destroy the old order first before they can usher in their new total surveillance tyrannical super state. To achieve that they are mercilessly dividing and conquering us which is the oldest playbook for control that exists. Here is how:
Ten Ways Billionaires Who Hate You Are Manipulating You Right Now by @thewisewolf
1) The first manipulation is the illusion of choice. You think you have two parties representing different visions for America but both parties are funded by the same billionaires, vote for the same surveillance bills, approve the same defense budgets, and serve the same corporate interests. The choice you are given is which color tie the puppet wears, not who controls the strings.
2) The second manipulation is emotional hijacking. The news does not inform you, it activates you. Every story is framed to trigger fear or anger or disgust because those emotions bypass your rational thinking and make you easier to control. You are not watching journalism. You are being subjected to psychological operations designed to keep you in a constant state of agitation.
3) The third manipulation is tribal sorting. The algorithm learns what makes you angry and feeds you more of it until your entire worldview is shaped by outrage at the other side. You are sorted into a tribe not because you chose it but because keeping you tribal keeps you predictable and profitable.
4) The fourth manipulation is false scarcity. You are told resources are limited and the other tribe is taking what belongs to you. Immigrants are stealing your jobs. Welfare recipients are draining your taxes. The other party is destroying your healthcare. Meanwhile the billionaire class has more wealth than any humans in history and could solve most of these problems tomorrow if they wanted to.
5) The fifth manipulation is memory holing. Stories that threaten powerful interests get buried or forgotten within days. Exposed crimes result in no consequences. Historical context that would help you understand the present is never taught. You are kept in a perpetual present with no past to learn from and no future to plan for.
6) The sixth manipulation is controlled opposition. The voices you think are fighting for you are often funded by the same interests they pretend to oppose. The outrage merchant on your side of the aisle is playing a character designed to keep you engaged and angry and tuned in while nothing ever actually changes.
7) The seventh manipulation is the Overton window. The range of acceptable opinion is artificially narrowed so that anything outside it seems extreme. Ideas that were mainstream fifty years ago are now treated as radical. Ideas that serve elite interests are treated as moderate common sense. You are not choosing your beliefs from the full range of human thought. You are choosing from a menu they wrote.
8) The eighth manipulation is learned helplessness. You are shown so many problems with no solutions that you eventually give up and accept that nothing can change. This is intentional. A population that believes resistance is futile does not resist. They scroll and complain and feel superior for understanding how bad things are while doing absolutely nothing about it.
9) The ninth manipulation is identity capture. Your political affiliation becomes your identity, and any attack on your party feels like an attack on you personally. This makes you defend politicians and policies that harm you because admitting they are wrong would mean admitting you were wrong, and your ego will not allow that.
10) The tenth manipulation is the most insidious of all: you are manipulated into believing you are too smart to be manipulated. Every person reading this thinks the manipulations I described apply to other people, the stupid people, the brainwashed people on the other side. That certainty is itself a manipulation. The moment you believe you are immune is the moment you become most vulnerable
Much more must know information on these insidious manipulations here: https://tritorch.substack.com/p/there-is-something-way-bigger-going
There is something way bigger going on when you can divide everyone in the entire world into an 'us vs them' mentality on almost every single subject.. We cannot let them get away with these ridiculous ancient divide and conquer tactics...
Well written explanation of what is happening to ALL of us. Now we need to make it easier to stand up against it. We also need to try to find a common ground so we can reach the "them" in our families, in our communities, in our lives.
I will be using the link you provided to send out to all my friends, family, and neighbors. Thank you.
I believe that in a worst-case scenario after the billionaires have eventually taken away all of my rights, I will at least be able to unalive as many uber-rich (and any in Congress who let it happen) as possible before they unalive me. In my last moments I would at least feel like I exerted some power that they had not stolen from me.
Exert power by detangling yourself from their control grid. I posted solutions in this thread under Robot's comment below, check it out.
Billionaires do not care about society or their fellow human beings, If they did, they wouldn't be billionaires. They'd still have millions....but not billions.
Excellent excellent excellent excellent point.
If the tax rate was 95% on the upper crust or should I say crud, they would still be 🤑 filthy rich. They would still be living like royalty.
What time to debate who the enemy is needs to stop. The enemy are the power elite. Wealth is power. There’s no way to bankrupt these criminals and there’s no lawful way to stop them so liberals need to stop dreaming and start coming up with a permanent solution. I don’t think they have the belly for it. They will bitch, debate and analyze and come to wrong conclusions as they will hang onto this false hope and delusion that the government will help them. The filthy rich members of the ruling class are the government.
Stop preaching to the choir liberals because anyone with an IQ over 90 knows what’s going on. It’s time to stop intellectualizing and theorizing. Here are the simple facts.
1. Democracy is gone.
2. The republic is being demolished.
3. Congressman and senators talk and that’s about it.
4. The people in power who are the corporate criminals and other filthy rich people can do whatever they want until they are forced to obey the law and at least show some morality.
5. Jesus is not going to come to the rescue with a sword and lop the heads off of these scumbags. That’s another myth.
When the people in power I’m not talking about congressman senators or any government agency, feel the heat and are terrified things will change. The only thing that motivates sociopaths is fear. Patriots face their fears and motivated by honor. Think about the firefighters who charged into the world trade towers to save people and died in the process. Those are heroes and patriots.
TriTorch, your comment is helpful, but there's no reference to what WEF is, which would make your comment even more helpful. I searched "WEF" and not surprisingly, there are several organizations that could be WEF.
I have guessed that you're referring to World Economic Forum, but I'm not sure. The Wikipedia article about it mentions several controversies associated with the organization.
Please remember that not every reader is as "dialed in" as you.
World Economicn Forum, vidoe here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev9ct5BmAcY
Thanks, TriTorch. The video makes it look so attractive ... until you realize you'd give up everything.
I think that goes without saying. So how to we deal with it? They're shooting at demonstrators with lethal and non-lethal (but dangerous) munitions.
The solution is to get local, get self-dependent, get the common unity back in community by building webs of resilience with your neighbors, get control of your school boards, mayors office, and town councils, get to know your sheriff, get a garden in your lawn no matter how small, a single tomato plant is better than nothing, get a well (water is your most important resource hands down), get ready, get moving, get doing, and, if so inclined, get God.
Detailed:
Don't build a bigger fence to keep our your neighbor, build a bigger table.
The only winning move is not to play their sick game. They thrive on our energy and fear, angst, doubt, and dread they stir in us. The one thing these emotional vampires hate the most is for their manipulation and terrorism to get ignored. Cut down your TV & internet usage by 97%, go local, and all of their terror goes away meanwhile we become stronger as they flail around in angst. Here’s how:
Civilization, goes and old maxim, is never more than three meals away from barbarism—once the food deliveries stop, so does law and order. Therefore, the baseline of preparedness is as follows:
Put all your support behind your local farmers, then become your own. A garden in every lawn should be standard. You can no longer trust anything from a corporation, so cutting out reliance on a retailer is a good place to start thinking about your resiliency. ‘Incorporated’ City water isn’t viable either for its quality or reliability, so wells must be dug (there is no resource more important in your life than clean water, hands down).
How to overcome this: Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can. Small accumulations of sovereignty divided among all of us = taking our country back from the bottom up in a groundswell. This is needed because:
Practically the entire “establishment” is a group of dark triad emotional vampires.
We need to get self-sufficient immediately - figure out how to live without them completely (eg no more supermarkets) - and begin ignoring them. This will starve them - the one thing they cannot stand above all others is to be summarily disregarded- and in our favor we will not longer be their emotional puppets dangling from their psychotic string.
Beyond that, begin ending your dependence on their enslavement protocol Federal Notes by creating local currencies and discovering the lost art of bartering, and again start - these cannot be emphasized enough - stitching together webs of alliances with your neighbors for resiliency, defense, and resource sharing (they might grow what you do not and vice versa)—put the “common unity” back in community, and get control of those town councils and school boards (the one place we still hold all of the cards) and get your kids out of them. Finally: stop eating, listening to, and watching things that are bad for your mind, body, and spirit, and, if so inclined, spend a good chunk of your time on your knees each day.
Finally: Fear not. Live your life. Find your happiness. Turn your back on those who would gleefully turn it into misery. Win the game by refusing to play theirs.
All of the above is a recipe for success. Let's get to work building a future worth living in, together, because if we do not, Harari & Co will ensure we will not have one.
That goes without saying.
On every thread on Substance? Really? 🙄
Substance?
We need to know how many of these worst of the worst agents are the pardoned J6ers
Yes! My bet is that people who had the time and money to go to the Capitol were just waiting for this kind of opportunity to play war games against US citizens again.
Yes, we demand transparency.
It's past time for democratic leaders to take charge and stand up for what is right. The horror of the Trump regime can no longer be allowed.
Yes, Mary, there is nothing left to "reform." I've read the original docs about ICE's founding (lawyer here). The regime has turned this group into our Trump Gestapo. Since he likes "Donroe Doctrine" so much, let's rename this group of thugs TRUMPSTAPO. Gratitude for the whistleblower who is publishing the list of thugs and finding out their past crimes, as I just saw this morning. I wonder if these men read the small print on their "bonuses": they don't get the $45,000 until after they finish 5 years! Guess Donnie will be gone, one way or the other by then. Along with his lifelong penchant to stiff people, they'll never see their $$$. I've also read that Noem is incorrect in stating they have complete immunity. One good sign comes from Texas, of all places, where the head of the Texas Police Union says ICE's terrible behavior and reputation has tarnished any respect for police in the state.
Edit--I do not see reforming or defunding or eliminating ICE as the solution. What we've needed since 2008 is sensible, humane, practical IMMIGRATION REFORM! Then dial back ICE from its current Trumstapo behaviors, revamp Border Patrol, and with the courts following due process and the Constitution, see how these two groups can function.
Excellent explanation and thank you for doing the research for us. I long suspected that the regime would hire January 6 types, give them weapons and immunity. That's pardons in advance.
It's tarnished respect for police nationwide.
It's tarnished respect for police nationwide.
Its tarnished respect for AMERICA, dont have to single cops out,
Everyone is watching in disbelief.
lauriemillerjade.com
What’s being exposed here isn’t simply a rogue agency — it’s a system designed to operate without meaningful limits.
When an enforcement body is funded at this scale, driven by arrest quotas, insulated from accountability, and publicly promised “absolute immunity,” violence isn’t an aberration. It’s an outcome. Predictable. Built in.
The question “Who are these people?” matters — but the more important question is who designed a system that rewards speed over judgment, force over restraint, and loyalty over law.
This isn’t about immigration policy anymore. It’s about whether any armed federal agency can operate inside American cities, against American civilians, without warrants, without transparency, and without consequence.
That’s not reformable. Not because people are irredeemable — but because the structure is doing exactly what it was built to do.
DJ Trump is wrong about everything, and he is likely wrong about this. I say that states, locals, and citizens, should start suing just to see how far they can take their cases. No one really knows if ICE has any immunity, until the lawsuits begin. Walking away is not the solution.
Should have never been allowed to organize to begin with. Cant people see it is Trumps private army? He will eventually grow it to control all of us.
We need our own private army …. except none of us are barbarian knuckle draggers
Sad that we're all Americans at such cross-purposes; some are misfit thugs who get off starting barroom brawls and out-hurting the other guy. Most, fortunately, just want to get along and live life as they choose without invading anyone else's space. When it comes down to confrontation, even the most non-contentious of us will take just so much being pushed around before they finally push back. I've been there; avoided the confrontation until I'd had enough abuse, and pushed back. I found that, as reluctant as I was to lower my standards, it was the only thing that worked. I believe that's what gets off Trumplethinskin: starting a fight between others and stepping back and watching the bloodletting from a safe distance.
Well, that is exactly what he did on January 6th, isn't it? He agitated the crowds and then sat back and enjoyed the show :(
If we go that route/ we have civil war. May be coming to that.
Trump's people will be fine with it up until they start getting shot.
And then the reins will be passed to the next dictator, willingly or not.
Abolish ICE now!
Asked by a reporter if he believed that deadly force was necessary in the killing of Ms Good, Trump responded “It was highly disrespectful of law enforcement. The woman and her friend were highly disrespectful of law enforcement.” As many times as he was asked, Trump would not budge from claiming that her lack of respect for the ICE agents justified her murder. Not even King Henry VIII would have imposed capital punishment upon those who so disrespected him. But, of course, King Henry VIII was no Donald Trump.
Who gives a shit? It's still against her First Amendment rights.
That’s why when we take back the White House and Congress, we abolish it.
IF we take back the White House
I could not agree more wholeheartedly. Thank you for your clarity.
Out with ICE!!!
Let’s stop calling the jails detention
Prisons? In some cases concentration camps.
This is unacceptable. No one is above me law. Needless to say, this makes ICE.#1 tarkets for retaliation
View from the outside: I don’t know what if anything will get Congress to face reality and understand that the use of funding as a leverage or mandating no more face coverings will cause ICE and the DOJ to act any differently.
These tactics are barely bandaids to the real problem. You are right Mary, it needs to be completely dismantled and rebuilt to do the actual job the department was created for - border control.
Yep, agree too. And then rename it. Obviously, border control still needs to happen but what ICE agents are doing is massive overreach, of course. The acronym ICE sends a shiver down my spine these days.....
p.s. I had a cousin who was also a "bad egg". When we were children, he would hurt one of us (we had regular cousin get-togethers) when adults weren't looking and then pretend to be hurt and point the finger at someone else. He was a nasty piece of work then and grew into a nasty piece of work as an adult. He got married, there was domestic violence and she left. His son seems to be carrying on along the same lines, also. I feel for you, Mary. And I admire you greatly for always being the voice of reason.
ICE is Satanic and Doesn’t Have Rights or Protections From It’s Unconstitutional Crimes Against Humanity. Period!
Check the facts before making this claim!
Have A Great Day Ahead.