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Julia P. Herzberg's avatar

I believe that the following points made by Mary to Thom should be broadly forecasted. They include "Donald is, I think, the equivalent of doing what Hitler did, which was start to destroy infrastructure. He is bankrupting our farmers. He is making it impossible for Americans to afford basic necessities like gas and food. He is destroying our alliances. He is engaging in the kinds of toxic masculinity that are designed to unravel the fabric of an evolved society.

Every single thing this man does is to the detriment of the American people. It’s to the detriment of American democracy and to the benefit of countries that used to be our most dangerous enemies, like Russia and North Korea. So, yes, I think he’s well on his way to committing to the kind of project Hitler aspired to."

Merry's avatar

Yes, I absolutely agree.

Earlier today, I wrote the following comment on another substack account and its content is particularly pertinent to Mary and Thom’s discussion. It’s about the various similarities between Hitler before the 3rd Reich fell and the challenges we as nation are currently experiencing.

So I’m taking liberty and posting it here as well:

[“I want to spend a minute talking about what a petulant child the president of the United States is. This is a man who simply has no self-control and throws wild tantrums whenever he doesn’t get his way.“]

Huh. This particular comment immediately caught my attention, primarily because last night I watched the movie DOWNFALL. And I couldn’t help but think about djt’s buddy, Adolf. So I did a quick research/ analysis of the similarities between djt and the fuhrer.

The first article was published on January 20, 2025, when Trump first took office in his second term, and when his political agenda was quickly established as a dictator wannabe.

In any case, the similarities between the two are strikingly similar. Is anyone reading this actually surprised?

And here we are…

In case you’re interested, and for your reading pleasure!

“Trump’s Rhetoric Echoes Hitler“

Excerpts -

“Trump’s rhetoric echoes the racism and dehumanization present in the rhetoric of Adolf Hitler. His language is uncharacteristic of a politician governing on behalf of all Americans irrespective of race, ethnicity, or citizenship status. It is the kind of talk expected from a totalitarian dictator.

“Trump has deliberately adopted the tactics used by Hitler throughout his rise to power. Hitler portrayed Jews as a subhuman race aiming to “poison” the “pure” blood of the Aryan race. To support his pseudoscience, he claimed that Jews were “raping” Aryan females and “importing” Black people into Germany. Like Trump, Hitler built his following by validating the fears of his supporters, and casting blame for poor societal conditions on a perceived “out-group.” Both Trump and Hitler appeal to fears of rising racial, ethnic, and cultural diversity to portray vulnerable groups as unworthy of belonging to the body politic and warranting elimination.”

https://theharvardpoliticalreview.com/trump-rhetoric-hitler/

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I also read the following article, which is also quite fascinating and revealing…

“Trump and Hitler: How Accurate a Comparison?”

“Along with many others, Republican vice-presidential nominee JD Vance has reportedly pondered at least once whether Trump would be America’s Hitler.”

“ The readiness to lie” -

“Perhaps the most sinister analogy between Trump and Hitler is the readiness to lie. Both leaders have shown remarkable talent to project their declarations with little regard for whether they are true or false.

“Hitler and his Propaganda Minister, Joseph Goebbels, were brilliant exploiters of the mass media of their time, especially radio, film and print. When one visits the vast stadium in Nuremberg where massive Nazi rallies gave Hitler breathtaking opportunities to animate his followers, the scale is beyond anything in the United States outside of some football arenas.”

https://www.theglobalist.com/united-states-donald-trump-germany-adolf-hitler-dictatorship-propaganda-politics/

Bronwyn Fryer's avatar

I am running for Empress of America. When I am declared Empress, I will set up "de-Nazication" education as they did in Germany after the war; end homelessness; set up local food education to feed the hungry; declare a moratorium on data centers; put the Trump regime in jail, move all energy sources to renewables, and that's just for starters.

(Hey, a girl can dream.)

Lynne's avatar

I'd vote for you!

Elizabeth Schuhmann's avatar

Great discussion — lots of hard realities in play — but also lifelines that have actually saved everything when applied in the past. It’s not over until it’s over — let us all stay in there and alert to our opportunities to help with the lifelines. Vote for democracy! Thanks for your invaluable help showing us the way Mary!

Dawn H's avatar

Wow, this is scary stuff and it’s even worse that’s so many are insulating and supporting his horrible agenda.

The Reset Hypothesis's avatar

2020 feels like forever ago

Ruth Sheets's avatar

I am concerned too. I keep wondering if there is anyone who can come to our aid now that Donald Trump has done such damage to our alliances. Will our military turn against the people as we know ICE will, and has? We do need to stand up together and even if Trump declares an emergency, the states should still go right along with elections and keep Trump's goons from touching our ballots or messing with our tallying machines. Hand-counting would work. We do have to find ways around this fascist regime! We might have to swear the new congress in early.

Bronwyn Fryer's avatar

Thom used to live down the street from me in Montpelier, Vermont. Good brain!!!

Elizabeth Schuhmann's avatar

And thanks to you Thom, and your inspiring story about your friend Armin. I look forward to sharing it.

MaryAlexy's avatar

What am I missing???? The guy is friends with a nazi!

robotworks's avatar

As I have been predicting for close to two years now, the playbook is Germany 1932-39. We are waiting for the Reichstag fire. The next step. The defining moment for the abolition of liberties in the US.

After the elections are cancelled, come the arrests. There were no above ground Socialists in Germany after 1935. Wiped out. Exterminated.

There is a reason that all these concentration camps are being built here in the USA. Not for immigrants.

God help us all. t

Kate W.'s avatar

I still like to hope that Trump will pull a "Bautista" and just suddenly leave the country on New Year's Eve.

jim king's avatar

IMPEACH AND DUMP TRAITORS, FELONS, PEDOPHILE ENABLERS , IMPERIALIST CRIMINALS, CAREER GRIFTERS, FASCISTS, FRAUDSTERS, GANGSTERS, FELONS,  & CON REPUBLICONS EVERYWHERE. RELEASE ALL THE EPTEIN FILES & JAIL RTRUMP. CON RTRUMP IS BLACKMAILED BY PUTIN & NETENYAHU. FIX THE ECONOMY AND CLIMATE CHANGE. SAVE DEMOCRACY FROM THE NAZIS.

Kin's avatar

Thank you for this conversation.

I believe the 80 year thing has to do with the third and forth generation after an event has not been given the same information about the experience. We do not tend to teach the experience of "history repeats itself because we have forgotten what brings us there." The 2nd generation feels the parent's electric response. By the third and fourth generation, the power of lessons learned have moved on to other thoughts, issues and more. The power of the experience - amd why- has not necessarily been carried forward. Look at the change from being in WWII because we want to stop genocide of people, to today, whether looking at Israeli leaders and peoples, or what the U.S. is doing with our people.

I am concerned about the limited understanding of the need for change within the Democratic Party as well. There seems to be a significant need to get rid of the "let's say this and while we also get rich as politicians."

GraemeO's avatar

Kin, good points about the generations. I’m in my 60s. As a child we were constantly reminded of the evils of the Nazis. Today I fear it’s become all too distant and the spread of conspiracy theory and hate speech makes it worse. People have forgotten the horrors or simply lack imagination. Perhaps many of them simply don’t care.

I suspect many Magas don’t see what is happening as evil or think it is just being blown out of proportion by ‘liberals’, or they simply have an authoritarian mindset. It is the duty of politicians to protect the people from this kind of regime from being created and in this regard they failed. .

Here in the UK we have this same drift to the right because people have forgotten the lessons of WW2. But there are signs here of pushback, but before the fascists take over.

Kin's avatar
Sep 20Edited

Thank you very much. You express in detail much of what I was considering. I feel badly what is happening in the UK, and what is happening world wide. It is as though the Allied Axis (different nations same nasty aggression and principals) is rearing its ugly head with renewed energy. Where we must not fall short is to fall short as the story tellers to our grandchildren. We must remember to teach by experiences, with ours and our ancestors' stories. We must not glorify violence but justify resistance and the responsibility to push back. We are all accountable to be awake and alert to what happens to life. We are responsible to share the teachings, from whatever traditions we carry, to as many generations as possible. Not to create fear. Instead, to create solutions, thoughtfulness, and a belief that we are the ones to protect and honor 7 generations forward and back.

We do this: While we work. While we play, while we sing. And always while we dance. Always creating and being created, our lives a connected story, dance, a work of art.

Kevin KC Flynn's avatar

I'm running for President in 2028. And when I win, I will make sure that Max Blumenthal, Aaron Maté, Katie Halper, Cenk Uygur, Anna Kasparian, John Mearsheimer, Jeffrey Sachs, Chas Freeman, Trita Parsi, Daniel Davis, Douglas MacGregor, many in Code Pink, many in Democracy Now, all of Judge Napolitano's guests, Larry Johnson, many from the Electronic Intifada, Stephen Walt, Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, Robert Pape, (Robert Monroe will be the Director of Culture), and others will be in my cabinet.

My presidential platform is outlined in my course, which is summarized in my two short films, viewable on my YouTube channel, kevinflynn2639.

The only way to turn the US’s aircraft carrier around and get it sailing in a much better direction is through the political process — and the only person who can pull that off is the President of the United States.

Just as the predictions of all of those mentioned above have consistently come true, so have mine. We are at a critical juncture. If we don’t play our cards right now, it’s curtains.

I predicted, some 30 years ago, that countries like China (and other smaller countries) would leapfrog the United States military by using high-technology methods such as drones.

I’d also seek the advice of experts like Geoffrey Hinton, Max Tegmark, and Yoshua Bengio as to how to align AI.

It’s my thought that my course is the best heuristic for aligning AI, but I’d seek the advice of people more familiar with the actual mechanics of how AI works in order to make that determination.

Believe it or not, AI alignment is our biggest existential threat.

My “course” represents my platform and it examines the roots of the problems we’ve created for ourselves. It determines the best way to solve these problems.

There nothing wrong with talking about the problems. But what’s needed is an analysis of why they’ve occurred and more importantly how to steer our way out of them and set a course for a better tomorrow.

Elena Freshman Schumann's avatar

I think you are saying the same thing as I am that the biggest problem with AI is HOW IT IS GOING TO BE USED WHATEVER FORM IT ENDS UP BEING. It is not the thing itself that is the problem, the problem is how to use the thing for benefit not burden.

Ellen Zucker's avatar

It's a race against time. Donald is 80 years old and deteriorating mentally and physically. I don't think he'll last through 2028. The problem is he does damage every day he is still here. Mother Nature will have the last say. The question is whether she will act in time.

Left Rudder's avatar

You want to talk American Hero Thom Hartmann is my American hero. He has been the voice of reason and I have learned so much from him over the years. I don’t how he has the fortitude to keep going through hell after hell but I’m so glad he has and does

Linda Laz's avatar

I think donOLD has already attacked us US citizens. How many have been killed that we don't know about--how many in concentration camps?? And he has repeated oftten enough that he doesn't care about us. Maybe he even hates us because we hate him. He's grooming his ICE thuggies to be his soldiers against us. Not close. HERE. Thank you to reminding everyone of that fact.